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Topic: DoDPI's new October of 2006 Manual
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Ted Todd
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posted 01-10-2007 07:49 PM
 
Hey!I just got a copy of DoDPI's newest manual which includes Chapter 18 on Countermeasures. I got the manual right off of Anti-polygraph.org ! What the hell is going on at DoDPI to allow this to get out to George so quickly? Any thoughts? Ted IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 01-10-2007 07:59 PM
Does DoDPI know? The most recent version was supposed to be classified to avoid that happening.IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 01-10-2007 08:04 PM
I didn't bother to look at this as I figured it pre-dated the classified doc, but I believe this is the classified manual. It appears to be a photocopy, which means my suspicions of an examiner feeding him this stuff is probably true. How he made a copy less than a meg has me puzzled though.IP: Logged |
Ted Todd
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posted 01-10-2007 08:48 PM
Barry,My guess is that DoDPI has a leak problem. This manual is fresh off the press and it is already on Boy George's site for all the world to see! Ted [This message has been edited by Ted Todd (edited 01-31-2007).] IP: Logged |
sackett
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posted 01-10-2007 10:19 PM
OK guys. Let's make lemonade out of lemons. Download it and read it....Let's face it. If we called DODPI and asked for a copy would we get one? I don't know, but if I can get it off of George's site, let's use it! Jim
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Barry C
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posted 01-11-2007 06:51 AM
Yes, read it. No, you couldn't get it from DoDPI as it's classified. Even before that, they weren't supposed to give it to anybody but federal examiners. Classifying it was supposed to end the problem of it being on George's site.Isn't it strange that we polygraph examiners don't have easy access to this stuff, but George seems to? I get more info from him than many other places. There's something wrong with this picture. IP: Logged |
Ted Todd
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posted 01-11-2007 09:01 AM
Ok James,Here is the lemonade. Even IF we could order the manual from DoDPI, it would probably cost $100.00, take eight weeks to get here and would probably arrive damaged. At least on Boy Geroge's site it is free, I can get it immediately with the click of a button and I know it will be readable as long as my printer holds up! Ted IP: Logged |
Bob
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posted 01-11-2007 09:20 AM
Sooner or later- an examinee is going to ask if he can score his own polygrams for quality control :-) IP: Logged |
J.B. McCloughan
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posted 01-11-2007 09:48 AM
Is the document 'classified' or 'for administrative use only'?Often the internal regulations of a department prohibit the distribution of administrative procedures but they are still fair game under FOIA. This scenario would prevent department members from sharing the document with you but not you receiving it through a FOIA request. Regardless, there is no doubt that George et al has an insider. He alluded to this in a thread were he posted a document he received from an anonymous source. If you have a question as to whether or not the aforementioned document is classified, contact DoDPI and ask them. IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 01-11-2007 10:45 AM
It was formerly just kept in-house, and FOIA requests always ended up with a lot redacted. A federal examiner told me the latest one included CMs as including that section allowed the government to argue the whole doc needed to be classified, which he said happened. (The whole point, as I understand it, was to stop future docs from landing where it did.)I've got some emails in to some DoDPI guys now. I'm sure they already know, but just in case, I've passed it on. We know knowledge such as this doesn't help a person, but it seems odd we in the business don't have the same access to the info George does, and then we only see it if he decides the whole world should. Anybody else find that troubling? [This message has been edited by Barry C (edited 02-01-2007).] IP: Logged |
Bill2E
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posted 01-11-2007 09:18 PM
You may wish to look at the "Countermeasures" portion of Georges book, it does not really tell you what to look for in specific terms as DODPI would teach it. There is no information in this version that I would be concerned about. And it could be a leak that was intended not accidental. That sometimes occures. IP: Logged |
stat
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posted 01-13-2007 10:58 AM
Nothing suprises me about antiP. When I first absorbed and monitored the site, I just assumed that George would continue to possess the latest policies and info regarding poly. Let's face it, examiners are universally loathed by all applicants--and consequently, any person who is subjected to testing--including examiners ourselves within the Fed and LE setting, could potentially be happy to "lend a hand" to the adversaries if it serves their interests. Additionally, I've also always assumed that antiP has infiltrated this site (no offense to the administrators). The loathing that I earlier referred to was not as a result of our roles as interrogaters, but our collective arrogance and relatively static use of question formats (CQ.) If our craft depends on federal secrecy, 50(?) year old techniques,and the secrecy of a government which is ran by (some) men and women who believe that Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church, we're !$#&ed. [This message has been edited by stat (edited 01-13-2007).] [This message has been edited by stat (edited 01-13-2007).] IP: Logged |
Ted Todd
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posted 01-31-2007 09:39 PM
I just heard that two days before Bill Gates released the "first copy" of his new Vista Operating System, black market copies were already on the market in China.I guess we all have a long way to go in improving security! Ted IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 02-01-2007 06:14 PM
Does anybody know who is funding all George does? It seems odd he can do what he is doing without some good money behind him. His cite is clearly the best out there, and he's got a lot of time and money to push his agenda - even flying here and there to get his message out when necessary. I can hardly afford to get to training.IP: Logged |
stat
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posted 02-01-2007 07:34 PM
Good points Barry (and TT)---and I guess it's a little naive to believe that just because george was 97bravo he would abstain from working with anti-US subversaries or whatever. Conversley, I've spent more money on hobbies than george's $100-200 a month website---and my hobbies were never motivated by "moral duty" or revenge, or how/whatever he justifies his efforts by. JUST TODAY I had a sex offender quote george's site (approximately) which necessitated wasteful mining for countermeasures. Apperently, the offender merely skimmed the site without administering cm's. Although the offender was in violation for looking at the web, I secretly can't blame any examinee for researching a test which will make such an impact on their life---both pro poly sites and negative sites. If it was my ass, I'd be very curious about polygraph. It's a sign of intelligence. IP: Logged |
Ted Todd
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posted 02-01-2007 08:49 PM
Stat
If you doctor told you he was going to conduct an XYZ test by placing monitors on various parts of your body, you would probably get on the Net to see just what an XYZ test was. This is normal human nature especially with such a great source of info as the Net is. You are correct and I too do not fault an examinee for looking into what a polygraph is.Barry,
George now has a link on his web site to "make a donation". No doubt guys like "Beachtrees" are holding daily bake sales to raise money for poor George! George is also now selling a line of anti merchandise to support his site. Ted [This message has been edited by Ted Todd (edited 02-01-2007).] IP: Logged |
stat
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posted 02-01-2007 10:02 PM
Bake sales! Now that's funny! My sources in Europe tell me that he is an Arabic translater for a multinational co. He probably is working in the grease industry (oil industry for you non-environmentalists) and if he is only translating Executive llaisons, he's pulling down 80k euros a year.That's pretty good coin for the Netherlands. If he is actually working in direct trade in uper mgmt, oye ve--he's doing well financially. Does anyone know anything for certain about this guy? Talking about him without concrete knowledge feels a little like gossiping about goofy celebrities or urban legends---e.g. I hear he can summon demons and talk to animals.IP: Logged |
J.B. McCloughan
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posted 02-01-2007 10:51 PM
Actually a Google search of “George Maschke” could provide all with much real information.For instance, it appears that George has a new website http://georgemaschke.net/ . Also, this old post (1998) from http://www.iranian.com/Opinion/June98/Language/ shows George’s employment at that time, same location. quote:
* Like it or not... I have some observations on the use of the term "Farsi," too, that might be worthwhile sharing: 1) It is now part of the vocabulary of American English whether we Persianists like it or not. On numerous occasions, I have been asked by English speakers upon mentioning to them that I study Persian, "Is that the same as Farsi?" 2) The word "Farsi" fits in English along the same pattern as the names of some other languages, such as Hindi, Bengali, Gujarati, and Swahili. 3) I have not noticed any pejorative connotation associated with the term "Farsi." Indeed, Iranians in the U.S. in my experience tend to call their language "Farsi" when speaking English much more often than not. 4) As for your association of "Persian" with ancient Persian culture, Persian mysticism, poetry, and Hafez ... the vast majority of Americans don't share these associations. Most have never heard of Hafez, though many have heard of Omar Khayyam. Persian cats and Persian carpets are most likely to come to mind, and these are indeed generally deemed to be Good Things. But in most parts of America, Persian/Iranian culture is little known.
While Webster's 9th Collegiate Dictionary (1986) does not include a citation for "Farsi," I would be surprised if the next edition does not. For better or worse, "Farsi" is part of the American English vocabulary. I agree with your logic that we should no more call Persian "Farsi" than we should call German "Deutsch," but the adoption of loan words seems to have a logic of its own. As for the origin of the use of the term "Farsi" in English, I think that would make an interesting topic of research. Your suggestion that it was foisted upon us by journalistic "manipulators" will need some empirical evidence. It seems rather doubtful to me that it is part of some sinister plot. :-) However, it is not hard to imagine that the use of the term "Farsi" by the press has helped to lend it currency. It seems plausible to me that the adoption of "Farsi" in the English language was made easier by the fact that we no longer use the name "Persia" to refer to Iran. Regards from The Hague (Den Haag), George Maschke
gmaschke@ucla.edu
Graduate Student, Near Eastern Languages & Cultures,
UCLA Translator,
Iran-United States Claims Tribunal, The Hague
Have fun searching the "many Googles of George". IP: Logged |
rarmstrong
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posted 02-02-2007 09:13 AM
StatAs a former 97 Brovo P8 (that's a Counterintelligence Agent/Polygraph Examiner, I can not let your slight go uncorrected. George was not a 97B but a 97E (Interrogator). Not that I want to bad mouth interrogators, but I don't want anyone thinking that he was one of us. ------------------
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stat
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posted 02-02-2007 01:39 PM
Please pardon my oversight rarmstrong.Thank you for your service.[This message has been edited by stat (edited 02-03-2007).] IP: Logged |
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